Barelvi Deobandi debate

Assalam O alaikum

1.First we are presenting the stand of deoband and barelvi on different controversial issue after wards we will analyse it in unbiased manner.


2.Our analysis will be based on original books in the manner as outlined in our methodology.

3. After asserting correct position then a way out and problem solving will be presented.

4. We are not dealing the issues raised by deobandis in against the writing of barvi ulema because our aim is to solve the issue and mainstream big ulema of deoband is of the view that historical detail should be kept aside and ummat should move forward in a positive way. They remain silent on the controversial writing and Fatwas of barelvi ulema.

          As our aim is also problem solving rather than discussion we are also leaving the issue.

ILME GAIB OF PROPHET DEOBAND STAND

QUESTION 

 WHAT Do you say about the knowledge of the Prophet (upon him be peace).

Answer:

We say with the tongue and we believe in the heart that our master, the Messenger of Allah Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam (Allah bless him and grant him peace), is the most knowledgeable of all creation, with sciences pertaining to the Essence and Attributes [of Allah], legislations (tashri‘at), of the practical rules and the theoretical rules, the true realties and the hidden secrets, and other sciences, that none from creation reached the pavilions of his courtyard, neither an angel brought nigh nor a messenger sent.

Indeed he was given the knowledge of the first and the last and Allah’s grace upon him was immense (Qur’an 4:113). However, this does not entail knowledge of every particular from the temporal matters in every moment from the moments of time, such that the concealment of part of it from his noble vision and his exalted knowledge harms his (upon him be peace) being the most learned of all creation, and [harms] the extensiveness of his knowledge and the excellence of his cognizance, even if one other than him from creatures and servants becomes cognizant of it. Sulayman (upon him be peace) being the most learned [in his time] was not harmed by the concealment [from him] of what Hudhud had comprehended of strange incidents, as it says in the Qur’an, “He said: I comprehend that which you do not comprehend and I have brought to you a sure information from Sheba” (Qur’an 27:22).
(From Aqaid e Ulemae Deoband Page,19-20,Masalak e Ulmae deoband)

Qasim Nanoutwi issue in Takhdeerunnas Deoband Official Reply

Below is the english translation of the official Answers from Deoband 
(On the issues raised by Barelvi brothers)




Answer has been given by Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri  FROM deoband the Writer of Bazul Majhul commentary on Sunan abi Daud.This answer is official as it has signature of nearly 50 big deobandi Alim from different part of country.

(These translation are from book AL MUHANNAD ALA MUFANNAD (IN ARABIC) and AQAID E ULMA E DEOBAND (IN URDU) 

Question:

Do you consider any being better than the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)?

Answer:

Our belief and the belief of our elders is that our chief, our master, our beloved and our intercessor, Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace), is the best of all creatures and the best of them in the presence of Allah (Exalted is He). None is comparable to him, rather [none] come close to him (Allah bless him and grant him peace) in proximity to Allah (Exalted is He) and the elevation of his rank in His presence. He is the chief of the Prophets and Messengers and the seal of the purified and the Prophets as established in the texts. This is what we believe and acquiesce to Allah (Exalted is He). Our elders have expressed this in more than one book.

Question:

Do you allow the existence of a prophet after the Prophet (upon him blessing and peace), while he is the Seal of the Prophets and the meaning of his (upon him be peace) statement “there is no prophet after me” and those [statements] resembling it, have been mass-transmitted, and ijma’ has convened on this? What is your opinion of one who allows the incidence of this despite the presence of these texts? Have any of you or your elders said this?

Answer:

Our belief and the belief of our elders is that our chief, our master, our beloved and our intercessor, Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace), is the Seal of the Prophets and there is no prophet after him, as Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He) said in His Book, “But he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets” (33:40). This is established in many hadiths that aremutawatir in meaning, by consensus of the ummah. Far be it that one of us said something contrary to this, since the one who denies this is according to us a disbeliever because he denies decisive and unequivocal texts.

Yes, our teacher and our master, chief of the intelligent scrutinisers, Mawlawi Muhammad Qasim al-Nanotwi (Allah Exalted is He have mercy on him), produced a novel insight by his critical mind, completing his sealship (khatamiyyah) in a complete manner and perfecting it in a perfect manner, as he (Allah Exalted is He have mercy on him) said in his treatise entitled Tahdhir al-Nas, the upshot of which is that:

Sealship is a genus under which are two species:

The first of them is “chronological sealship” (khatamiyya zamaniyya) which is that the time of his prophethood (Allah bless him and grant him peace) occurs after the time of the prophethood of all other Prophets and he is thus a chronological seal of their prophethood.

The second is “essential sealship” (khatamiyya dhatiyyah), which is that by the essence of his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prophethood, the prophethood of all the Prophets is sealed and culminates in it. Just as he (Allah bless him and grant him peace) is the seal of the Prophets in time, he (Allah bless him and grant him peace) is also the seal of the Prophets in essence, since all that is accidental is terminated by that which is essential, culminate in it and do not surpass it.^[1]

Since his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prophethood is essential and the prophethood of other Prophets is accidental, because their prophethood (upon them be peace) was secondary to his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prophethood and he is the most perfect and honourable particular, the pole of the domain of prophethood and messengership and the medium of its contraction, he is [both] the chronological and essential seal of the Prophets.^[2] His sealship is not limited to chronological sealship since it is neither a big virtue nor an increase in his rank that his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) time comes after the time of the Prophets before him^[3], rather complete supremacy, extreme elevation, splendid glory and radiant pride reaches its utmost when his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) sealship is [both] essential and chronological. As regards to when it is limited to chronological sealship, his supremacy and his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) elevation in its perfection is not attained and his complete and comprehensive excellence is not acquired.

This insight from him (Allah Exalted is He have mercy on him) became apparent in his demonstration of the magnitude of his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) rank, the immensity of his proof, his exaltation and his veneration  as concluded by the verifiers (muhaqqiqun) from our masters, the ‘ulama, like al-Shaykh al-Akbar [ibn al-Arabi], al-Taqi al-Subki and the Pole of Existence Shaykh ‘Abd al-Quddus al-Gongohi (Allah Exalted is He have mercy on them). The mind of many of the ancient ‘ulamaand the erudite intellectuals, in what we believe and perceive, did not reach the pavilions of his courtyard.

This [belief], according to the Indian innovators, is disbelief and misguidance. They whisper to their followers and their friends that it is denial of the sealship (Allah bless him and grant him peace)^[4]. [This is] far, very far! By my life, this is undoubtedly the most slanderous calumny and the greatest falsehood and slander. Nothing prompted them to this except contempt, malice, envy and hatred for the people of Allah (Exalted is He) and the elite of His servants. This is how the Divine Pattern (sunnat Allah) proceeds when it comes to His Prophets and His Friends.

Al-Muhannad ‘ala l-Mufannad ya’ni ‘Aqa’id ‘Ulama Ahl Sunnah Deoband, pp. 49-53

 

Ashraf Ali Thanvi kufr issue (Disrespect of prophet in Hifzul Iman Ilm e Gaib)

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kufr ISSUE OF ILME GAIB and alleged Disrespect of prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam by Ashraf Ali Sb in Hifzul Iman

Barelvi Primary Allegations : Ashraf Ali Thanwi (DEOBANDI) is ……………..(Everyone knows the word ,I don’t want to repeat for anymuslim.(MaazAllah)

Secondary Allegation : All others who have a doubt over ………….of ashraf Ali are also ………………….(Same word I will not repeat)

Secondary Allegation: Deobandi has aqeeda that Huzur Pak Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam has very little ilme e gaib (Giving example of very low creation llike child/mad man/animal)

Proof : In hifzuliman he has written a sentence ……………………………………………………………………………………………….

(Method of proving in forums/ without investigation): Paste a scanned page. And proove As ashraf ali and all others have done disrespect ……….. They are ……………(I will not repeat). Job well done.

Investigation by a Muslim (Not a reply to anyone/no defense,Just investigation and fact finding)

1. Endless discussion has been in the word Aisa/itna/jaisa/jitna/chunke/agar from both side. For knowing detail go to any, so called Islamic forum. Both group will present there case with arguement looking like a new Imam Gazali (R.A) has come.(Imam Gazaal, and Abul Hasan Ashari (R.A) established supremacy of Islam against deviated philosophical approach by rational arguments) I was hearing a video on you tube in the same case two persons came for diffending with different words but thanks to the logic of the opponent, he proved both the defender as offender from their own words. Such a great skill muslim are having.

Alas ,Has these skill be utilized for the mission of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam , of striving and ensuring heaven for all even Hazrat Wahshi and Hazrat Hinda (Razi Allah Anhuma).

We have read this book Hifzul Iman with Bastulbayan. 

INVESTIGATION REPORT.........on the matter

CLARIFICATION FROM ASHRAF ALI Himself.What he says.......

1^st Point

Actualy this issue of Ilm Gaib and disrespect with respect to this Sentence in Hifzul Iman came to Ashraf Ali in his life time. And he has clarified it in most possible term about his intention with a book k/a Bastulbayan and made this bastulbayan as permanant part of the original book.

He has written Bastul Bayan (page no 10 ,11)

“I have never written this khabees (…………..) passage in any book, What to talk about writing I have never thought of it in my heart. This meaning is not from any of my writing.Any person who has this belief or without having this belief clearly or ambiguously say this. I consider him out of the fold of Islam, because he is lying against nusus qatiya (Without doubt finality of deen ) and degrading the status of Hazarat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.”

In HifzulIman Ashraf Ali Thanvi also write (Page no 9)

“Muhammad (S.A.W.) was full  with all the knowledge needed for nabuwat” 

2. Changing of the sentence itself...BY ASHRAF ALI

Till now we saw that he has clarified his intention and meaning. Now see another evidence. As he came to know that this sentence is being misinterpreted. So to cut the root itself he changed the sentence itself and made an announcement and that announcement was made part of the original book Hifzul Iman.

(TRANSLATION OF THE STATEMENT OF ASHRAF ALI)

I change this sentence after AGAR ………………….TO ILME GAIB by this way .Now the sentence of Hifzul Iman will now be read as follows.

“If certain (not complete) knowledge of unseen is the meaning of (calling him ALIMULGAIB), then certain knowledge of unseen is available to other non prophet alaihissalam also , then by this rule everyone should be called as ALIMUL GAIB”

Those want to know the official version of Deoband. They can see in full below link

http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/urdu/teachings/5_3a.htm

AFTER INVESTIGATION NEW CHARGESHEET WILL BE LIKE THIS.......

1. Ashraf Ali wrote a doubtful sentence in his book hifzul iman which was having two meaning. One of his meaning was apparent disrespect to prophet,
2. When he was asked, He declined in emphatic way that this meaning he has not even thought in his remote corner of his mind and heart.
3. Finally to clear any doubt he changed the sentence itself.

Now on this basis any person can have an answer for the questions raised initially.

1. As Ashraf Ali has changed his sentence so the punishment is ?????????????????
2. As with the change of sentence all the shadow on ashraf ali is weaned off so if deobandi Alims for pleasing Barelvi brothers declare Ashraf Ali as Kafir (Nau zubillah) as demanded. Then deobandi will come under this Hadith and will loose their own Iman.

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said:

“Whoever charges a believer with unbelief is as though he had killed him” (Bukhari, 8.32: 6105. S).

“Any man who says, ‘O kafir” to his brother, one of them deserves the name” (Bukhari, 8.32: 6104. S).

Judging anyone who regards himself a Muslim to be an unbeliever is a matter not taken lightly by anyone who understands its consequences. It is difficult to think of a direr warning, and its purpose is clearly to dissuade Muslims of religion and good sense from judging anyone who professes Islam to be an unbeliever unless there is irrefutable proof.

For most of the other point of contention between barelvi and deobandi is also of the same serotype except one or two that have some substance in it.

What Barelvis should do now

. There are more than circumstantial evidence to believe that because of slow communication facility and gap confusion and misunderstanding arose between elder ulemas of last century. They should accept the real situation on ground and should think about decreasing the gap. And if any problem they have with any particular person they should take it at personal level instead of taking as group

What Deobandi should do now

For the unity of ummat They should approach their barelvi counterparts and should tell them that we are accepting the slip of pen of Ashraf Ali Thanwi, and some other ulema of last century.

They should not hesitate in it as it will not anyway decrease the status of Ashraf Ali Thanwi (Rahmatullah Alaihi) ,who has written nearly 1000 books including Translation of the Holy quran. So if with such voluminous work some slip of pen/error of judgment/ mistakes are found .It is normal and nothing unusual. He was a human being and was not free from error.

And this sort of mistake are in writing of all scholars of all groups (including deobandis and barelvis) (I have evidence for Barelvis also but Islam has commanded me to not to expose fault of any muslim that Allah has covered)

BARELVI Vs DEOBANDI

Assalam o Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah Wa barakatuhu

No body should Infer from my stand in the subsequent posting (that will deal the deobandi barelvi issue) that I am against the great personalities of past and present not respecting them.

(either deobandi/ Barelvi/ from any other self created group.) 

No it is obligatory for muslim to love the waliallhs and their hatred has an announcement of war from Allah Taala. (This is article of a hadith). Please forgive me for any slip of pen.

But I donot believe in glorification/ too much defending because of two reason.

1. If they have done well/were righteous so any criticism/proof/jealousy will not do any harm to them as Allah decision is absolutely free from any influence and error of judgment and he will be glorified and will have eternal success. The only loss will be the person disrespecting him.
2. If the fact is contrary whatever be the defence and glorification it is not going to help him anyway in Akhrat.

Just clear the facts (that you have confirmed from ground) in defence and put forward to others if they accept it is good, if they reject leave the matter for Allah.Who is the final judge.

(Let me tell you that this deobandi-Barelvi issue is not our topic of intrest. And I am posting these massages as these issues have become most common source of spreading jealousy and hatred among muslim groups.)

Rather we are part of a weak movement for a very strong cause that is ittehad ummat

 (If not absolute ittehad atleast decreasing the hatred and jealousy between different groups).

1. When we started our first station is Deobandi Barelvi dispute. 
   
   
   (Now we have started some work on the next station that is broader one and in English,urdu and others and knowledgable people who want to do something positive for ummat . Please contact me through personal massage on                    barelvideobandiunity@gmail.com
   
   
   (With this sentence I do not mean OTHERS ARE DOING NEGATIVE. Please forgive me for any slip of pen. If any muslim become dishearten with our mission/approach.we consider it our failure)

We are coming up a book in urdu “Barelvi deobandi ikhtalaf haqaiq aur masle ke hal ki koshish.” (BD dispute,ground reality and a problem solving approach).

Its soft copy is ready and it is under process of review from Deoband and Barelvi ulemas. (And in some cases it became known that some of those who have even written books on this issue have not checked from original sources. Rather relird on the book of other critique.)

OUR APPROACH

1. It has a approach of problem solving rather argument and counterarguement. We have dealt in depth on all issue including, Aqeeda and writing of Akabir of Deoband and Barelvi, in a rational manne, but respectable mannerr.

(Rational I mean to say if Person A is complaining and showing his injured eye that B has removed his one eye Still we went to B to see and at times found that actually A has removed both eyes of B)

2. We have not stopped at SCANED PAGES. Rather we got the whole book and confirmed the truth.
   
   

   3.For confirming the truth we went to original sources not to the sources of    opponent/criticizing party.

 

(E.g if someone wanted to know about Islam he should go to quran and Hadith,and Islamic sites, if he goes to JEWS websites what he will get. If you have to confirm something about Sufism and you go to Extreme Salafi brother/website what you are going to get.That is not the correct way of knowing things).

We are very weak but want to start a thinking in ummat to follow quranic principle and Ahadith and way of sahaba and aslaf in the matter of difference of opinion/criticizing other/doing nahi anil munkar of all stages including blaming someone Bidati/mushrik/grave worshipper/kafir/ kufr of association.

We are not claiming that we will solve/help anyway solving the issue but two things we are claiming (Based on our observation)

1. The ration between reality and misprojection/accusation is 5 : 95 in all cases from both side.

2. If the general public will come to know the reality 90% will shed off the Badgumani and hatred. The shading of of badgumani and hatred will range from 50 to 100 % but in any case not less than 50%. (When I will complete my posting you can try it)

All are requested for dua for decreasing hatred and jealousy between muslims even those who are not agreeing to some of my points.Seeking Allah forgiveness and mercy.

Jazakallah

What is difference between Barelvi and Deobandi

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To understand differences between barelvi and deobandi first we will know their position with respect to Aqeeda school and with respect to school of Islamic Jurisprudence.


For undersatanding any difference it is important to know similarity also so BEFORE GOING TO DIFFERENCE LET US KNOW ABOUT SIMILARITY

THE SIMILARITY BETWEEN BARELVI AND dEOBANDI

BOTH ARE

1.Follower of Imam Abu Hanifa,(R.A) in the matter of Fiqh.

2.They follow Same school of aqeeda of Ahle sunnat wal Jamaat that is Ashahari/Maturidi.

3.Agreed on tasawwuf (Both are related with all four chains of tasawwuf)

 What is the difference????????????

1.  As they follow same school of Aqeeda and are Hanafi also so Obviously the difference is not basic rather superficial in nature with respect to Islamic ideology.

2.Initially the difference was purely personal and historical .

3.With the passage of time this rivalry has included some religiocultural differences and some ideological differences of superficial nature.

The areas of controversy
 For understanding it can be divided into three subclassess. 

FIRST SET OF DIFFERENCE

 1.Difference with regard to some Religiocultural customs like, 


          eg. Celebration of URS at Aulia Allah graves 
Barelvi Alaim allow the Urs with following condition
1.If it is free from unislamic practices. like money making, 
2.No Women should be allowed.As for women visiting Drgah is Haram even if they come in Pardah.
Islam doesnot allow women to come at Mazar.
3.There should not be any TAWAF of Qabar
4.There should not be any Sjada of Qabar.

But Deobandi point is that Urs was not clebrated by Sahaba karam and by Aulia Allah  for their elders so they will not celebrate)
Deobandi are agreed on karamate aulia and give very high regard to Aulia Allah and sufia karam
Rather Deobandi Alim Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi has written Biography of Sheikhul Mashaekh Abdul Qadir Jeelani Rahmatullah Alaihi ,Khwaja Ahmad sarhindi(Mujaddid Al Fasani Rahmatullah  and NIZAMUDDIN Aulia R.A. and 

Another Deobandi Alim shaikhul hadees Maulana Zakaria sb has written Tarikh e Mashaikhe Chisht of the series of sheikh Moiniddin chishti R.A of Ajmer........................Deobandis  are 100% sufi.But they dont endorse any Bidat Practices on the name of Sufism. 

2.Commemorating 30 ,40 days (Teeja Chaleesa) of dead etc...................
Barelvi do it
Deobandi do not do it.They say that Nabi e Pak Shaba and Aulia Allah has not done it .So we will not do

3. Mawlood/Meelad Shareef
Deobandi Alims are divided into celebration of Mawlood. Some of them permits if no islmic ruling is violated rather they do it in the form of JALSA SEERATUNNABI. But they do it throughout the year and not only in Rabiul Awwal or 12th rabiul awwal

Some Deobandi are telling that sahaba did not do it and it was started after 300 years of islam so it is not correct 

but Deobandis are not very harsh in general on mawlood. They consider it as superficial matter.

            SECOND SET OF  DIFFERENCE 

2. The so called difference about Aqeeda Matter
                    Actually in Aqeedah Even in detail of Aqeeda they follow same book like Aqeedatuttahawi, Sharah Aqaid by Taftajani (R.A).

But It is alleged that Barelvis has following Aqeeda About Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.that.

• He is  that means made of light "NOOR"
• He is (present in many places at the same time). hazir
• He is (witnessing all that goes on in the world). nazir
• He has b (knowledge of the unseen/unknown completely and nothing is hidden).ilm-e-ghai
• He is  (having the authority to do whatever he desired) mukhtaar kul

(......................Why I have written it is alleged that when we go through original barelvi books it is evident that although they uses these words like HAZIR ,NAZIR,ILME GAIB...........BUT

They have made explanation of these term that their apparant meaning should not be taken.........
eg NOOR does not mean he was made up of NOOR but he was Noor in the sense of spread of light after his arrival ..........But their are some present day ulema who has taken extreme view on these matter and have complicated the problem but the mainstream BARELVI ULEMA view is modest and their view is not much different)

After going into original book of  t it was found that it is mere controversy of the network of words and sentences

that is leading to this infamous fighting of muslims.

IF ULEMA OF BOTH SIDE WILL SIT TOGETHER AND WILL DISCUSS AND CLARIFY they will find that the ambiguous use of words are creating problems rather than their actual position.

THIRD DIFFERENCE

3. Third Area of contrversy is actually bye product of MISTRUST/FIGHTING/ATTEMPT TO MALIGHN EACH OTHER.


This type of controversy erupted and was nurtured to gain the public sentiments and to capitalize their support in the favour of their group and to DEFAME THE ULEMA OF OTHER GROUP.

THIS CLASS OF CONTROVERSY HAS FOLLOWING POINTS.

1.Because of group ism and rivalry both group accuse each other on the basis of writing of scholar of past.

2. Main area of controversy is about some of the sentences written by founder ulemas of both group and their interpretational differences by founder Ulema of other group respectively.

BARELVI accuse fault in the writing of DEobandi Alims
Maulana Ashraf Alai Thanwi Sb,
Maulana Qasim Nanoutwi sb etc...........


Wheras DEOBANDI accuse fault int he writing of
Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan Sb and some others.

 Common feature of this sort of allegation

(A) All these ALLEGATION are interpretative and extrapolation of actual sentences and the writer has denied the wrong meaning. 

(B) If you read complete page/2 - 3 paragraph of writing with context of the article /book you will find no wrong thing in either case.
(c) But the fighting groups present isolated sentences out of context and cover their interpretational meaning.
(d) These are maily slip of pen/unsuitable example and not matter of Aqeedah/believes.But they present as Aqeedah matter




CULMINATION OF THIS SORT  OF CONTROVERSY

3. This type of fighting became very serious  by the Fatwa of kufr against each other. It started nearly 100 years back.It also has a clause of association of kufr that means those who do not accept the fatwa of  kufr ,they are also kafir. 

CONSEQUENCES OF FATWA OF KUFR
4. This led to the widening of GAP /MISTRUST AND IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO THE UMMATE MUSLIMA. (May allah pardon all of us)

5. Deobandi scholars clarified their position about the sentences and those who were alive Asharaf Ali and Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri changed the controversial sentences altogether to end the matter of controversy completely.

6. Deobandi Ulema of past took a moderate view they criticised Ahmad Raza khan for false allegation and FATWA OF KUFR against them but they didn't do any counter attack of similar kind against barelvi ulemas.

Present Situation

5. Even after death of big scholars of past their generation carried on the fighting and situation became bad to worse.

6. At present big Ulema of deoband are not involving on this issue at all and they are working on positive issue only some .

MIDDLE LEVEL DEOBANDI ULEMA FROM PAKISTAN

Now some middle level deobandi ulema has come up with same type of allegation against barelvi ulema of Past to put them in same condition as barelvi did initially for ULMAE D EOBAND. 
7. They  have come up with book "BARAILWIAT HAQEEQAT KE AINE MEIN" and AHMAD RAZA HAYAT AUR KARNAME with 45 scanned pages OF WRITING OF BARELVI ULEMA they have made so many allegation against supreme ulema of Barelvi. This is similar kind of allegation that barelvi did in the past for deobandi Alim.

7. In India DEOBANDI BARELVI ULEMA remain silent ON CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES and normally their is no open fighting between them and largely remain peaceful. Ulema of Both group have compormised and have learnt to live in harmony.But same cannot be said for pakistan.

ROLE OF INTERNET FORUMS IN FIGHTING
8. Already there was minimal relation between two groups.and with the advent of internet forums and Polemics writing of books/website situation is further deteriorating.

9. The level of discussion btw them on internet forums at times go to the level that a muslim should not even think to go that level.

ATTEMPT FOR PROBLEM SOLVING

9. No serious attemt has been made in recent past to solve the issue. Big ulemas are silent and middle level are either silent or fighting.

10 Issue is not very complicated but it is projected as complicated and magnified

11.If someone investigate upto original books of controversy he will understand the real problem very easily in a period of days.

12.  This issue is of urgent need to save our generation , and to give space for those who want to do positive for ummat for this world and hereafter.

JAZAKALLH O KHAIR

BARELVI DEOBANDI UNIFICATION

Assalam o Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu,

We, have started a programme for ittehade ummat (Unification of ummah) as a mission. Our approach is problem solving rather than argument and counterargument. 

1.Our aim is to decrease the jeolosy and hatred between muslim groups.

2. To educate the ummat about the true picture of difference in a unbiased form with the aim to decrease the difference.

3. To clear the misunderstanding about historical facts and to clear any misprojecton.

4.And to present them a sense of understanding about the MANHAJ of Sahaba to deal in difference of opinion in all issue.

 5To spread the sense of IKRAM-E-MUSLIM and IKHLAS-E-NIYAT at the top of their all actions including in matter of argument and counterargument,in disagreement and in difference of opinion.


During our study of different groups we came to know that really there is very little difference between DEOBANDI AND BARELVI.    
                                                         This discord is happening just because of MISUNDERSTANDING AND COMMUNICATION GAP.

We are coming up with our first book titled "
DEOBANDI BARELVI IKHTALAF HAQAIQ GALATFAHMION KA AZALA AUR MASALE KE HAL KI EK KOSHISH"

That will have the solution of all confusion and misunderstanding INCLUDING THE ALLEGED CONTROVERSIAL WRITING FROM BOTH SIDE etc.......................

The projected Difference in matter of Aqeeda
1.NOOR O BASHAR 
2 ILME GAIB 
3 HAZIR O NAZIR 
4 MUKHTARE KUL and all aspects. 

We have quotes from original book and clarification from the writer himself or their PARENT INSTITUTION INSHAALLAH.

In my opinion this is natural way of justice to know both version before issuing any judgment or decision.

Allah will ask me alone for my actions and no forum or link OR BOOK will help me on the day of Qiyamah.

Everyone is requested for dua for the unification of ummate muhammadia Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
JAZAKALLAH O KHAIR